7/23/2012

Acoustic All-Stars 2012 = Success and Mucho fun!!!

What a weekend!!!  
Let me just start here….. See, this is the 5th year of the AAS and a tiny bit of history is in order to give you a better idea of how awesome this weekend was.

We started our search for a venue to hold an acoustic music festival at a place called Club Celsius in Park City. They closed down and show was a no go. Then we played at The Star Bar for a show opening for Joshua James and Benton Paul. We fell in love with the staff and the bar set up and got our first venue for the AAS. The first year we had a small crowd.  The second a decent crowd. We implemented the ticketing system that year.  The Third year, we opened the doors to a line down the street of ticket holders.  Then, discord with staff and owner at The Star Bar made all the people we were previously working with jump ship. We couldn’t ask our artists to rely on such unpredictable circumstances and had to jump ship as well. We thought, we want to go to where Celsius was again! So the 4th year was at The Downstairs. This year we were able to get a few sponsors, make t shirts, pay for advertising, etc.

In the end, I apologize to The Downstairs for this, but we were miserable with the results. The Staff wasn’t friendly, the owner’s expectations were unrealistic, and the seating was atrocious. We had to leave.

The first time we talked to Mischell and Mario about having the 5th year at Fats, we were at the end of our rope. We heard rumor the previous year of artists complaining that they were too good for a 30 minute set and that we weren’t paying them.  We were at the point that if this year didn’t work out we were going to stop. We also decided that the stress and taxes of having sponsors wasn’t worth it. We weren’t able to spend the time on making the fest the best it could be because we were trying so hard to make money. Unfortunately, we don’t make money on this fest. Fortunately, it is more fun that way. Weird I know. lol

Now, I mean this in the best way possible, but artists…we set up the ticketing system because we can’t afford to pay you. What’s more, we will never be able to pay you all more than you could make with your tickets. Yes, I know you’re being nice and giving them out just to get people to come see you, but that’s YOUR decision. We have had a few people over the years say ‘now if only you could pay us.’  Well, we technically do. You’re just not earning it. I’m sorry but that’s the fact. We give you enough tickets (and you can request more) to sell them and make a good profit. We give tickets out to get people in so the bar makes money and we keep the little bit of money from the door which rarely covers our overhead. We apologize because this year we just didn’t have the money for any advertising but IMAGINE next year when we do J

What you don’t see is that 90% of the attendees are A:Friends of the bar and don’t pay, B: Have Tickets or are on a list, or C: Come in late enough we don’t charge them. Honest math…..If we took our profit (Overall income  + our own merch profit – (MINUS) Photographer, Food, tipping bar, making T shirts, making posters, purchasing tickets (that we give you), and gas to hang fliers, pick up fliers, back and forth to venue all weekend, etc that would pay each band evenly $8.09. I’m totally not exaggerating lol.

I just needed, for myself, to explain that to anyone who wonders why we don’t pay you. We would love to. We really would. But the tickets were brought out to make sure you all could make some money. If you don’t we are not responsible. We also don’t mind if you give them out. But really, what’s the difference of asking people to buy them or asking them to pay a door fee? It’s the same amount. If they are your friends / fans they’ll give you 5$  J

Anyway, what was wonderful about this year was that there was no discord, there was no artists acting like princesses, everyone was on time or early, people hung out, ate, bought or were given tickets, and we all had fun. The staff was friendly, the food was great, the drinks were cheap, and we all left with a happy warm feeling.

We will definitely have a year 6 and it will be even better. 

Off subject for a second…….Last, I want to pay tribute to our good friend Ischa of Minx.

I have been watching her amazing stage presence and ability to just give her performance all she has and I truly look up to her. She is a phenomenal performer and I see her as any musician’s perfect role model. There are things I have always wanted to do on stage and seeing her grace and professionalism has been pushing me to get out of my comfort zone and just do it.

Last night I took my mic off the stand for the first time and sang Alanis. I was so scary. I thought sure I’d pull the mic off and hit myself in the face and end up bleeding, ruin the song, everyone would laugh at me, and Id go home and curl up like a dead spider lol.

It was amazing and empowering and I loved it.

Thank you Ischa. You’re beautiful and inspiring and your inspiring nature lead to one of the best performances we have ever had . Xoxo

Last!

All the musicians this weekend were awesome and we want to thank everyone who stayed for our performance. It was Sunday and everyone works today but the people who stayed for our set are the best friends anyone could ask for. We like to take smaller sets and lesser loved times every once in a while just to makes sure its fair and that everyone knows that side stages and opening the show are not a reflection of your talent but merely the fact that not everyone can play the main stage and not everyone can have the best time slot. Those of you who took time out of your busy schedules to stay and listen to the last band of the festival are our heroes and we thank you from the bottom of our hearts. You made last night end with a bang and we had no idea we could even imagine that outcome.

Thank you all again. Next year is going to rock your socks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Next. Acoustic All Stars August 11 at Rovali's in Ogden!!!

7/13/2012

Top 10 reasons NOT to give up

1: Everyone who ever told you that you can’t/ Wont….Don’t you DARE prove them right!

   2: You will regret it for the rest of your life and anyone involved with said quitting, you will secretly resent as well

3: Do you REALLY want to? I doubt it!

4: Because it’s like working out, or trying to date someone that isn’t necessarily sure they’re ready but you both know its right…..If you do it, with all the struggles and trials and bad things that no doubt will happen, you will look back and be so grateful for the ride.

5: THE RIDE!!!! OMG the bad and the good and everything in between is what makes this whole damn thing worth it.

6: Because, musician or not, things that you have to work this hard for are so great and test your character, morals, motivation, and even stamina. You find who you really are and when you have to push yourself out of your comfort zone, which you have to a lot whether its pleasing a different crowd, or telling a booking agent to fuck off because they’re ridiculous, its good for you to stand your ground and be who you are.

7: You will learn what drives and inspires you. If you believe in Karma and Chi you know that this sort of thing is the best for finding your center.

8: It’s different than what most other people do in their lives and someday you can inspire others with your commitment to something so different and really looked down on. People never think you’ll make it so when you can do what you love against all odds its inspiring no matter what level you’re at.

9: You learn who real friends are, who has character, who will stab you in the back for a dollar, and who will stand behind you when you act like a total douche. Some of the best actors I ever met were musicians who act like they’re you’re friends because as any of you know, we can all help each other somehow. There is a LOT of people who will use you. The reason not to quit here is that when you find your friends they’re so everlasting and important to you that you will have people you can rely on that you may have never met otherwise.

10: Because if you were really passionate about this to do it and say you want it you would NEVER give up. Everyone has a split second where they say ‘maybe I should just be done’ but it’s in you. Its part of you and you need to do this if you’re REALLY passionate about it. Do not let the pressures of society get to you. Don’t live your life wishing you had.

7/02/2012

Practice Makes Improvement; My month of daily practice

I challenged myself last month to practice guitar and/or sing every night for a minimum of 20 minutes. All but 3 nights, I did it.

I wanted to tell you about what I learned because it really pointed a few things out to me.

First, I am retaining the songs I practice better when I play that often.

Next, I never played for only 20 minutes. It was always an hour or more. Its so easy to keep going once you start.

Then, I started feeling my voice getting stronger and my guitar playing getting better.

I also had nights where I was MISERABLE and tired and didn’t want to play so I would have to make myself do it anyway and all but one of those times, once I started, I was glad I did it.

The biggest thing I got out of it was that we played 3 shows on Saturday, and then again 1 on Sunday and by the time we got done I was exhausted but there is NO way my voice would have held up for all that if I hadn’t been strengthening it.

I know now that this challenge I gave myself is something I need to continue. I challenged all our Facebook followers to challenge themselves to do something and got no response. It made me sad because as people AND musicians we should always be challenging ourselves to be better and not one person wanted to improve anything.

I challenge you now. Think of something you need or want and challenge yourself to get it. Sometimes it will be hard. Sometimes it will be the hardest thing in the world. I wanted to just go to bed and sleep quite a few nights and the first night I missed, I only missed because I got home from work and was about dead so I went strait to sleep. I was so sad the next day that I missed one day. It was easier to push myself on tired nights after that.

I truly believe that we all can improve ourselves; we just need to decide what’s first to work on. Now that I know I have at least a LITTLE discipline, I will try to eat better lol.

6/18/2012

Booking....all up in your face!

I want to send out unwarranted advice to any musician who is interested in booking gigs.
If you are paying someone to book that doesn't give you information for your gigs it makes YOU look bad when you're late, missing equipment you needed etc so if you can get a handle on this yourself, you're golden AND you will make more $$. If you find someone who can do this for you as well as you could without getting you blacklisted from gigs, TAKE IT!

I get asked about booking....a lot. If you don't know...Ty and I play A LOT. At LEAST 1 show a week. Average 2. Sometimes 3 and on a crazy week 4 but that's VERY rare. But still..its not quantity. its quality. I could make us play every night if I wanted to but we still work full time and that's rough. Because I am able to get us booked on a consistent basis for months at a time, I somehow have started getting asked advice. At first I though it was unfair for me to give advice on something I know very little about. Then, I started talking to the people who were asking and it occurred to me...We have been doing this...this intense.... for a few years now.
I decided that perception is 99% of success. If you ask someone when their next opening is, and they say 2 months or 3 months down the line, its a little impressive. If you ask and they have no shows nor prospects, it takes away a bit of dazzle. Tell me I'm wrong here.
Some of the people who ask have yet to play out live.
I encourage this. Performing live  scary as hell, and yet empowering and suddenly your song is over, and unless your crowd is a bunch of ass holes, you get this feeling that can't be beat. It may be applause, it may be silence, we all have our own desired result. Nothing is better than playing a song you really feel with all your heart and nailing it and then that rush that comes.

So. Here is my advice. This is not the bible. This is not set in stone in any way. Something I do may NOT work for someone else. As a matter of fact...adopt that idea NOW. If someone else is doing it, try something else. Sorry...its the way of the music world.
First. Do an open mic. You'll NEED to make sure you like it. I have seen people that said 'I want to play music SOOO bad!!!! and then they hated it...not many...but a few. Rinse and repeat. You need to play a bit before you start asking people to book you at venues and even more to ask them to pay you. Why would you hire someone to babysit your kids if they have never been around kids in their life?
Next, where can you perform? Obviously, If you're under 21...there's no reason to call bars.
Lets say you're us. Why? Because I don't know what has happened to everyone else....sillies.:)
Don't DECIDE where you can perform. Unfortunately, at least in Utah, very few "venues" besides clubs pay the musicians. This means, if you want to make a living, you need to figure out how to play a bar crowd. Do you HAVE to? Remember earlier when I said this isn't the bible? Ok. :) (playing a bar crowd...there is no advice. Figure it out your way because someone else's way is not YOU and crowds sense that.)
Play anywhere that will take you if you have to for the first little bit. Some places never even listen to your music and you open for heavy metal. This is perfectly normal. And I think good for you. If you can't hang with what ever is put in front of you, you'd better get good at it. Our first gig in SLC was at Burts Tiki Lounge. Nice folks. More than that though, you're getting experience.

How do I find gigs????
Ready??????
Get a phone book, or, if you are against hard, hold in your hand books with paper, go to google.
I will continue with phonebook reference. Translate to Google where necessary.
Open it.
Go to the yellow pages.
Look up bars, clubs, coffee shops, restaurants, pubs, entertainment....anything you can think of that associates music.
Pick a place.
Call them.
When they answer ask first (if you don't already know) 'Do you have live music there?' If they say no thank them and move on. If they say yes, ask them how a band would go about booking a performance there sometime. They will direct you one way or another from there. Do what they say. email? Call? Call after a certain time? (very common) Do it. If you keep calling back doing every thing you weren't supposed to do they will hate that.
Build your list and keep it. As you go you will run into multiple repetitive listings and you don't want to call the same place 3 times asking if they have live music. Also, you're building your call list. This is imperative to booking. I literally went down a copy of the phone book bars and restaurants yellow pages with a highlighter, called them all, asked if they had live music, and highlighted the ones that did. On each call I got any info on booking or took notes if I was to call back later.
My point of this initial calling was to get my list done and ready so I could call and look to it next time.
Its something I try to do again later and then will continue to do periodically to keep my listings up to date.
Booking is hard. Its scary. More than that, its time consuming to start. Just get to the point and be polite and courteous and professional. Booking people can be assholes, dicks, and bitches. Don't let it get you down. And remember, something bad has to happen at least once or you're dreaming.
A few years (Yes more than likely years) in, you will have met many new people along the way. Sometimes a gig you play for free will lead you to a paid opportunity. (Remember also, the easier you are to work with, reasonable, and nicer you are, the more likely they are to want to have you around). We have scored SOOO many amazing gigs from free gigs. We got booked at pride because we played at a free fundraiser gig and a guy who books for Pride happened to be there. Funny thing was we finished our set and Fox13 came in to film for the news so they missed us and we were sort of sad we were missed but then booking at Pride Fest is AMAZING and it was 100% worth playing that free gig.
We did a free gig at The First Unitarian Church that has music all the time and it lead to a few people that now email and hook us up with gigs.
We played at a summer concert the other day for free that lead to the manager of the restaurant giving us his email to book paying gigs.
Do NOT think you are above a gig. Either you love playing or you don't but you are not better than anyone or anything if you're just doing what you love. Otherwise, it becomes work. I don't want to work my life away. I want to play music.
Just remember, if you love something, you will find a way to have it. You will do what ever it takes, to get that to stay in your life, and you will be glad you did. Push through the crappiness of the first year of booking and then all of a sudden it pretty much does it on its own.
Remember that feeling older musicians? :)
Here are a few tips to help you.
Try this website indieonthemove.com  You can find venues you know or don't know and even gives you contact info for many places. It also lists the styles of music that they book and sometimes tells you if they pay. You can book in town or across the country and you can contact other musicians all over the US about gig trading.
Also, if you're stumped and google isn't helping try face book. It takes a little patience to find the right place to go but there is a way to search for live music in different cities. Its cool because many places wont be in a google search but they do have a face book page.
Good luck guys :) And remember. Booking SUCKS but if you can get good at it its so easy and pretty much does it on its own.

6/04/2012

Bestest Weekend! And Pride 2012

I love when a weekend starts out with hype, excitement and a thrill of what is to come. Many times, there is a normal excitement because we just love to play music but sometimes a new experience lends itself to a new excitement. We had such a weekend.
It started with my cousins wedding in Brigham City. Let me just say, she looked SO damn rock star in her gown and I was super proud of her. It was sweet because through the ceremony her husband to be looked at her lovingly the entire time. It was really very beautiful. We had a really wonderful time there and met some new people and ran into old friends.
We then drove to our gig at Fahrenheit Lounge in the Hilton Garden Inn in Layton where we perform the first Friday of each month. We arrived early enough to get to relax and set up in a comfortable fashion (which is SO nice when you have a 3 gig weekend ahead of you). We were told that they had moved where we perform so we set up almost right next to the bar. For some reason, we were just on. I don’t know what happened but it was just a fun night where we met some really wonderful people and sold a few CDs and T shirts. Really awesome.
We stayed with our friends Jackie and Tony and arrived to their house at about 2 am where Jackie had set up a whole to do for us. We walked into the room to a bottle of wine, flowers, chocolates, glasses for wine and an opener, a card (which lets just say was hilarious but private lol) and what we will call a ‘love’ towel in case the mood struck us lol.
We woke the next day and went to lunch with Jackie and then eventually went to hang out and nap until it was time to leave for our gig at Rovali’s Ristorante italiano in Ogden where we perform the first Saturday of every month.
We arrived and it was damn hot out so we were a little sweaty lol but it was fun.
No one was there for the first part of our set so Alex told us if it didn’t pick up we would stop playing but then people showed up and it was a good little crowd. We played and talked to them and had a very successful night there. And as always, FOOD WAS AWESOME!!!!!!
We finished the gig, packed up, and headed home.
Once home it was pretty late so we went through our set list for the next night and went to bed. 
Sunday morning, we woke and slowly got going. I picked a crazy hairdo that would lake me way too long to do so I got started and we got ready and headed to the gig we have desired to play for years. Utah Pride Festival. We were booked to perform on the East Café Stage at 1:30pm and we were SO excited for this. Once there, we were met with EXTREME heat and mugginess lol. It was rough.
The volunteers and staff were fantastic and of course, we loved all the fabulousness around us. Pride is just one of the best festivals ever. We played for about an hour and were privileged to be joined by many friends and nabbed a few new ones as well. We rocked as hard as we could and I didn’t even use my music! No ipad, no book! GO ME lol

We were met by Gavin from City Weekly’s Gavin’s Underground who had interviewed us earlier for the article he posted today and took a lot of really cool pictures as well. He is a super cool guy.
Tim Candalaria took a lot of really great ones too!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Tim-Candelaria-Photography/305338682811887

We took our gear away and came back to the fest to check everything out. We bought sunglasses, I got a SL,UT shirt, we won a stop AIDS magnet, got a bunch of stickers for guitars, signed up on mailing lists for things like anti bullying and gardening classes. Can I just say, those beautiful gay boys LOVE my man? He was getting hit on left and right. Told you you’re hot Ty J

We stayed for most of Juana Ghani’s set, and then it was time to go eat.
We hit up Golden Phoenix’s Evergreen Café and before I knew it I had eaten EVERYTHING in front of me lol. It was fun to have Tim, Jen, and Katie join us as well.
Back at home I was EXAUSTED! I felt great about our performances and time we shared all weekend but all I wanted to do was sleep….and I did.

It was a fantastic weekend and I wanted to share it with you all because sometimes I get a little down but there are those times where I just want to say, it always pays off. It always evens out. It always is what you need it to be when you need it to be. Keep working everyone. Dreams are only dreams if you only think about them. J

5/29/2012

Wasted energy…

I admit it. I am a vengeful person in general. I try really hard not to be but if someone makes me feel less than I am I never forget it. I mean, you could call me names behind my back and I can live with that, but if you make me feel my voice isn’t heard or that you’re better than me, I get boiling rage. What does this accomplish? Nothing. Nothing at all. I lose sleep. I stress.

But what’s worse, I never really cry and unfortunately, as a woman, that is a bad thing. Almost any woman will tell you a good cry is a necessity to get over any issue. Just don’t be a whiny bitch.

Today I am writing to talk about wasting energy on everyone else.

I used to think I was a good judge of character, but as the last year as come and gone I have seen myself proven wrong time and again because I want to believe in people so badly. My foot Dr, friends, all ranges of people. This becomes my doom. But when do you close yourself off and decide that pretty much everyone is out to help themselves?

My decision today has become never.

Here is why.

I am a person that gives money to needy people. I know that sometimes it’s critical for places like The Road Home to give money to them instead but I know from my past that some people don’t know how to ask for help from organizations thinking its best to do yourself. When I get that overwhelming feeling that a person with a cardboard sign is in need, I give if I have anything to give. I have been talked to by many about the faults of this but my defense to them is that if I give when my heart says to give and that person uses it in a poor manner, I have done all I can do and can have a clear conscience.

Why can’t I live like this? Maybe because you see what people you KNOW do with your help? Maybe because I can see when someone decides my help isn’t good enough and I am offended by this? I have had people ask me to help them with booking time and time again, and my advise isn’t what they wanted. It was my contacts lol. I cant give those. How will they learn? I try my best not to handicap my friends.

I am positive that all of us have been burned by a person or another, and as much as I don’t want to admit it, its mostly NOT on purpose.

We need to all learn how to not carry this with us. We waste time and energy talking about others in an ill manner, and though it seems that sometimes total ass holes get all the breaks, they don’t generally like themselves and neither does anyone else for long.

I challenge you and me, to make a pact.

1: No gossip. It helps no one ESPECIALLY those speaking it. It just burns the issues in our brains and we dwell while the person we are talking about is making headway on what ever they are doing because they generally don’t give a shit that you don’t like them or what they’re doing lol. As a matter of fact, speaking from experience, it drives them to succeed. We have been shot by some here in SLC and it just makes me go ‘Oh ya? Ill show YOU!’ lol

2: Breathe and think about what you need to do for you without walking over others.

3: Before we are quick to judge lets all think about the likelihood of that person being out to get you, or even thinking of you at all, and do the same for others. Be aware of those around you and if something feels right to help another, follow your heart and forget what they do with it. If you GIVE your help, its theirs to use as they need or desire.

And 4: Negativity seeps into your brain and takes you over. People see it, hear it, smell it and worse, avoid it. There’s no better way to let someone else take over your life than to let them. There is also no better way to get someone to not want to hang out with you than being negative.

I want to add, this post comes from the past few months of work, music, life in general. I am a person that tries to help others as much as I can. I don’t say this for props. I say this as a beginning to my explanation.  Over the past few years it has become so hard not to get jaded by people who have talked bad about us, gotten us blacklisted from playing at bars, people feeling we didn’t give them a gig they deserved, people thinking we are jerks for missing an email, or not going to a show we couldn’t make, at work, being told in no uncertain terms that my position is less than anothers’, things like that. But when you think about the good….there is ALWAYS so much more good out there than bad. And many times, the bad you see isn’t from someone else’s mistake, but your own. I was so mad because a certain paper seemed to think we never perform or tour and I realized it wasn’t THEIR fault. It was ours for not being better at promoting and advertising. Instead of getting mad at them, I went online and added all our shows to their calendar.

I have had many comments from friends lately about losing sleep and being stressed. Breathe my friends. Its all ok. We tend to close up and hide when things seem unbearable and then wonder why we feel so alone. Open up and ask your friends to be there for you and you will see how many people are out there to support you. Ask for support and you will receive.

These issues tend to get us all down and I have seen me not practicing, not working on AAS etc because I have let it all get me down. But the best defense to this is to just work through it. At least at the end of the day you know you accomplished something instead of getting more down because you didn’t accomplish anything.

My last challenge, if you hold onto the frustrations and sadness like I tend to do no matter how hard I try not to, is write those things down in a list and then write a list of the good in the same time frame. Wake up each morning and take a deep breath and think about what you need to make you happy. Push yourself to work harder on what you love or need and don’t let anyone else get in the way. When you go to bed at night, if all the things you can’t stop thinking about aren’t gone but you did all you could to remove those thoughts, maybe take a second to cry it out and you’ll sleep like a baby lol. If all else fails…as Mary said on FB today, just have sex lol.

Here is my list :)  A window to my soul.

5/14/2012

The American Dream

Imagine.... I wake up every morning, and I go to work. I dream of nothing but going up and up in the company I work for. Its a good life. I always have money, and know exactly where I will be in 5 years. I am purchasing a house and am pregnant with my second child. Our first child, a boy, is the spitting image of his father. I have loans, credit cards, 2 cars, and a growing family. Its every American's dream. Its stable, comfortable, and something I have in common with most everyone else in the world. I get the paper, have Super Bowl Parties, walk the dog, go to the gym, go to movies, and do a lot of traveling. Very happy. Very safe.

Not like this life.
I have had many times where people act like I am crazy to want to play music for a living. It seems the impossible dream with the entertainment industry. One in throusands is able to make a living. I can work at Taco Bell if I want, but I can't just fill out an application for musicianship. Taco Bell says 'these are our operating hours. Be here #-# pm.' Music says 'Live me every second you can stand it or die.'
I had a guy say 'Oh a musician huh?!....I always wanted to carve wooden birds' (seriously) I wanted to ask him 'did you have a passion for it?' and then I knew that no....he didn't. If he did, he would be doing it.
I send my respect to my fellow struggling musician or anything else you do that is a struggle in less than average ways. Its a hard road with speed bumps and if you're not careful and focused, you will high center on your laziness, get down on yourself, and maybe even , sadly, give up.
Never give up.
Ok. Sometimes, we all get down and out about where we are and what we have to do next but do you really want to look back someday and say 'Man. I really should have done that when I had the chance.'  I am willing to bet that anyone who reads this is farther ahead in their goals than they even realize. I bet more people recognize your excellence than you know.
Don't let yourself down. Its a hard road ahead but anything worth it is rarely easy. Don't look back with regrets if you can ever help it.
I woke up 5 years ago and went "SHIT! Where did the time go?"  I thought I had plenty of time and I still do but in todays industry, 30 is 75 in musician years.
If I want this at my age, I have to push harder and harder every day not to give up because there are days when I wonder if I would be happy as a mother whos kids say 'ya she used to sing' and then I realize I wouldn't. I look up to people who want a different life than mine because I can't be that. I need to be more than normal, or average (not that either of those are bad). I need to say 'I did this.'  You can too. Say it everyday. Tell your friends and family you believe in you. They will to.....evn if only eventually.
Smile, amd remember you are you and no one else can make that claim. It what sets you apart and what makes you specia,l and you get the chance to creatively make you being you into a beautiful career.
Take care all :) XOXO.

P.s.  I am starting a new section of my blog. It will be interviewing fellow musicians about their beginnings and past. I think we all love hearing about other people and what they have done so I want to highlight that. If youre interested in this please email me. I dont have to know you to include you :)